Surface Wiper Tier: Able to destroy the surface of a planet or wipe out all life on a world [E. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. Thanos wins. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Also no Heart Of The Universe). I really can't be asked to go. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. Super Power Score and Level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. . The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Beyonder snorts him. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. #11. Forum Posts. Even The. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. rest. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. And just think, he was HOLDING BACK THE ENTIRE TIME, just so that he could only FIT INTO the Marvel multiverse without IMMEDIATELY DESTROYING IT due to his massive power. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. 13. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Gen. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Beyonder. ago. Powers are basically the same thing. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. 14 years ago. Apr 18, 2021. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. #2. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. CryptoI would think that a Level 100 character would be something like the pre-retcon version of The Beyonder from Marvel Comics. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Even if. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. How you interpret that is irrelevant. White 0hoenix Jean Grey 21. 1. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Creshosk. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. " Classic Beyonder would defeat COIE Anti Monitor and Spectre ( at Peak. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. Beyonder squashes him like a bug. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. I think he wins this. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. -Everything in bleach. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder v. In that case, E would be 10. Forums. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Molecule Man. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Sppople. HeartLesS 14 d . I guess ill make some rules 1. #18 Edited By Kingant27. #1. 8 years ago. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. . Follow 11369. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Pre-retcon Beyonder. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. -. ) No fan. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. 2. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. The One Above All, as per the name is above all. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Yeah. 967. This was a level of power on par with the Universe itself. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Forums. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. 81. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Far from Beyonder levels. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Enter, the retcon. Ima go with byonder. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Follow 4132. Beyonder needs some preparation. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. Lucifer is a different beast. Beyonder, very easily. 2. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. 7 years ago. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. #3 JohanLiebert123. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Mr. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. #17. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. 10 years ago. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Apr 8, 2018. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. 1. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. In dc put in Bat Mite and Superman prime the. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. Nope. Follow 21460. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. 8 C. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. 0. To start it up I am going to post some of classic Beyonder?s. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. VS. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Doom did. the_doctor. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Fighting place: Dr. . Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. CryptoWeaknesses. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Phoenix Taaia 26. NOTHING. 4 years. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. He comes from outside the multiverse. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. 5 years ago. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Super Power Score and Level. Something ppl get wrong. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. 3. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Origin: Marvel Comics. He should win against Lucifer. Yeah true. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. Dude’s absolutely broken. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. But it wont be easy by no means. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Mxyzptlk. #28 ovy7. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. This is not a stomp either way. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. The. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). who’s full power. Add a Comment. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. Wiki Points. Archived post. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Follow 3300. Forum Posts. 10 years ago JackKnightPR Beyonder's power was likened to an ocean while the Marvel Universe was said to be a drop of water in comparison. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Imagine PR Beyonder as the ocean. ago. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. You. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Well, the. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. -One. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. So by this admission, he described Beyonder. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. Business, Economics, and Finance. Forum Posts. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. give evidence of who wins. 0. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. ProfessorRespect. 0. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. Galactus Fused 23. No prep and no knowledge. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Spectre. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. Powers and Stats. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Origin: Marvel Comics. But, that was in regard to a. 11. We already saw alive Gil in the Babylonia arc, he shows the same power level. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. As a result, for his experiment, he. . By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. here are the rules. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence.